I totally get what you are saying Micky and, although I don’t have much to add to what’s already been said about his time as Chairman, if it’s any use here’s a link to the tribute I wrote to Terry when he stood down as Manager....
Remember the words well Ian, you always spoke highly of Terry I remember when he was first appointed caused a few eyebrows being raised by the BTG , an ex Alders##t manager how could we But since his arrival he never stopped believing in the club and how far as a Town we could succeed Just disappoints me the thread doesn’t do him justice
AGM now on 14th Jan. Nominations to become a Board director need to be in by 18th Dec. Directors are elected by members. The current constitution is clear that "The Club Board shall elect from among their own number a Chair". So, no direct power at present for the membership to determine who is Chair, just who the Board are. Joining between now and the 18th does give the new member the chance to be nominated and elected as a Director of the Board with a say in who becomes Chair of course. The joiner could be elected Chair themselves by their fellow Board members. I am not seeking to be nominated because I am already a Director and also Chair of a charity based in the town.
Thank you for gathering and relaying this information.
Thanks too, to Sarah Parsons, for swiftly processing and approving my Community Club membership and to Kevin White for graciously and equally swiftly sending me the form to apply to join the Board.
I will make no bones about it, I do not much like the current Constitution but, providing it is legal, for now it is what it is.
If elected to the Board I will commence campaigning for the following Constitutional rules -
1 All Board Members, including Chair, to be up for election annually at the AGM.
2 The annual election of Chair to be thrown open to a vote by the entire Community Club Membership and to be determined on the night at the AGM.
3 The abolition of the practice of co-opting onto the Board with all current co-opted members facing a summary re-election vote at the very next AGM.
The Community Club needs to be democratic and it’s Board needs to be accountable to its members in a real and meaningful sense.
And the Community Club needs to be SEEN to be democratic and it’s Board needs to be SEEN to be accountable to its members in a real and meaningful sense.
Agree, Ian that co-opted members of the Board should be voted in by the members at the next AGM. This is what we will be doing at Basingtoke Mencap AGM in two weeks. With respect to co-option of External Directors the BTCFC constitution does state "external Directors shall be selected by virtue of their specialist skills and experience considered to be of benefit to the Club". This stipulation does not exist with respect to Members who are co-opted and rather than abolishing co-option of Members I would expect the constitution to change to include this same stipulation. I accept that in any organisation such a stipulation remains open to abuse and then we're back to the intergrity of Board Directors.
Thank you for gathering and relaying this information.
Thanks too, to Sarah Parsons, for swiftly processing and approving my Community Club membership and to Kevin White for graciously and equally swiftly sending me the form to apply to join the Board.
I will make no bones about it, I do not much like the current Constitution but, providing it is legal, for now it is what it is.
If elected to the Board I will commence campaigning for the following Constitutional rules -
1 All Board Members, including Chair, to be up for election annually at the AGM.
2 The annual election of Chair to be thrown open to a vote by the entire Community Club Membership and to be determined on the night at the AGM.
3 The abolition of the practice of co-opting onto the Board with all current co-opted members facing a summary re-election vote at the very next AGM.
The Community Club needs to be democratic and it’s Board needs to be accountable to its members in a real and meaningful sense.
And the Community Club needs to be SEEN to be democratic and it’s Board needs to be SEEN to be accountable to its members in a real and meaningful sense.
I've had a think about it over night and decided to sign up to become a member of the community club. I'd like to see Ian and Jack on the board and I've got no right to complain if I don't put myself in a position to cast my vote.
I am aware you have issues with the direction the Club is headed in, and that some of your issues are ones I share and some are issues I perhaps do not share.
But we are both reasonable men, we both want the best long-term outcome for the Club, and it’s far better for anyone to be inside, arguing their case, than outside looking in.
The departure of a private owner and the advent of a Community Club - even if it’s current Constitution is currently flawed and needs fixing - creates a real opportunity for every single supporter of the Club to have a voice and an impact on policy and direction.
I was surrounded by brilliant young energised adults in 2006 and those people have gone on to have successful careers.
It would be great to have those people back getting involved.
You were very much one of those people and I hope you are the first of many to return.
In my personal opinion we’ve slightly moved off topic and I’d rather have had a few more comments about Terry and what he’s actually done for the club , along with the current board and the bottomless pockets of its supporters there would cease to be a club . It’s excellent people are now coming forward but let’s just remember we’re not playing park football at this present time
Let's give credit to the part which Terry Brown , the board , volunteers and not least supporters have played in the club's survival, after being outcast to Winchester, robbed of Camrose income sources and returning in better shape to the town.
Terry has been a great figurehead . A passionate and widely respected football man , he stood by Dan Brownlie and Aaron Nicholson after a difficult time and we are seeing the rewards. But listening to Terry perhaps above all he was particularly strong on the club being at the centre of the community as the basis for success. So not just performance of the first team - vital though this is - but what can be done to help improve the lives and spirit of local people touched by the club.
Added to all this , the Camrose planning rejection and the ditching of the link road are encouraging . And with the wider interest in joining the community club , voting and standing for the now declared 6 board vacancies, there is the opening for greater involvement of those who care
RIP CAMROSE - SADLY AND UNCEREMONIOUSLY TAKEN AWAY FROM THE PEOPLE OF BASINGSTOKE . NEVER TO BE FORGOTTEN
Prejudice is a great TIME SAVER. You can form opinions without having to get to the FACTS.
This is great news so many people that care passionately about the club saying they are returning I know some very energised people have been driven out previously let’s hope now everybody pulls to get her and the future sure looks bright at this present time blue army
Agree, Ian that co-opted members of the Board should be voted in by the members at the next AGM. This is what we will be doing at Basingtoke Mencap AGM in two weeks. With respect to co-option of External Directors the BTCFC constitution does state "external Directors shall be selected by virtue of their specialist skills and experience considered to be of benefit to the Club". This stipulation does not exist with respect to Members who are co-opted and rather than abolishing co-option of Members I would expect the constitution to change to include this same stipulation. I accept that in any organisation such a stipulation remains open to abuse and then we're back to the intergrity of Board Directors.
Similar to Mencap Stocky, The overseas Committee I Chair, only allows 5 Committee members by Law. Each year the whole Committee has to stand down at the AGM before a new Committee is chosen. Once the Committee has been selected (by the property owners, 1 vote each owned property), they then appoint a Chairman, Treasurer and Secretary. Strangely we are allowed to have as many co-opted members on our Committee as we want, However, there is a reason why the Law only allows a Committee of 5. Unless you are extremely well organised on a large Committee tasks will get lost, emails ignored as people assume that must be for someone else, or tasks are repeated due to committee members not effectively communicating with each other. The most effective way to use co-opted Committee members, is to appoint them to do very specific tasks, and have a clear line of communication usually with them reporting to a single full Committee member who will then present the information during a Committee meeting or communication.
RIP CAMROSE - SADLY AND UNCEREMONIOUSLY TAKEN AWAY FROM THE PEOPLE OF BASINGSTOKE . NEVER TO BE FORGOTTEN
Prejudice is a great TIME SAVER. You can form opinions without having to get to the FACTS.
Obviously I understand the rationale behind co-opting, but I still don’t like it.
Co-opting can enable a Board to fill specific skill-set gaps between AGMs, but a well-organised Board should look to present such people to the members to be voted upon at the AGM and anyone already in place using this undemocratic device should definitely face a vote at the AGM.
I think the members should elect a Board at the AGM then, once that process is complete, the membership should then be able to nominate, second then vote upon candidates for Chair in the very same room the very same night.
The members then leave the meeting at the end having directly elected both the Board in it’s entirety and it’s Chair.
That, to me, is proper democracy and an additional benefit is a clearly popular Chair - they had to win a Members vote to get the role - is likely to have more goodwill as the Chair takes on the role.
It would bring both democracy and harmony to the Club.
It's really great to see people starting to show real enthusiasm to get involved, unfortunately this isn't something l can do for a few years yet but hopefully when l do everybody who has expressed a view will be smiling and the club will have moved onwards and upwards. Looking back from now to what has happened in the last few years, l personally feel grateful that people like Terry and Kevin have been in our corner. I can imagine dealing with Rafi isn't something that many of us could manage in a professional way (l'm sure we would all have something to say but it needs to be delivered in the right way), these guys have in my view had the interests of the club in their minds at all times. Whenever l have seen them on match days, they are always on the move doing something to help us supporters have a good experience. Sadly with Terry moving on that may not be the case so much going forward but in respects of Kevin, l feel any chairman needs to be avaliable to the fans both on matchdays and after games. Thanks to those of you who have shown an interest in putting yourself forward, l wish you good luck and 3 points 🤣
It is good to see a new enthusiasm towards the community club, but talk of a vote for the whole board is unfortunately pointless. Having read the constitution twice in the past 24 hours, the rules are the rules. I do wonder why the original AGM was delayed, maybe because they were ignoring the constitution, as the number who needed to stand has changed.
Yes the membership could after this AGM, then push to have a bigger say who is elected chairman and vice chairman and but again the constitution would confirm what voting process and percentage like any other board would be required for change. As for co-opted members, reading the constitution, they should never have been allowed on the board, but assigned (as per a previous comment) certain roles or tasks. If the board does increase to the expected 10, then there should be no need for any co-opted members at all. Was there not a fundraising committee at one point earlier this year ? Sub-committees completing certain tasks and roles that include new volunteers, should be created with all this new push for change.
It is good to see all this positive talk and ideas for our club, but maybe we should get over one hurdle at a time.
I agree nothing happens overnight and obstacles can only be cleared one at a time.
However nothing is set in stone forever and Constitutions can change if the will of the majority is for it to happen.
For my part, I have seen the Club for many years in the grip of one man and I feel the opportunity to create a truly democratic Community Club where the Board serves - not rules - its members is something worth striving for.
The more being a member feels like being a stakeholder in the Club, with a real say at each AGM over who runs it the next 12 months and what direction it takes, then surely the more people will feel it is worth joining and getting involved.
I'd really like see the Partridge family involved in the running of the club again. If it wasn't for them the covenant would have remained 'lost' and the Camrose would be long gone by now.
Wow, this goes to show how much we should value the real Partridge family, not the one with David Cassidy!
A friend of mine said he heard the local press got hold of the covenant first, but are you saying it was the Patridge family who obtained it? If so, I can only take my hat off to them for doing so and I think the club should honour them in some way in the future. Jolly good job.