Well done all. Great article on the back page of this weeks Gazette, along with Jim Gould’s letter on the letters page. Things seemed to have gone quiet at a vital time with the local elections coming up. This is what’s needed Kevin & co, plenty of media coverage. Getting local people’s support on board early would be such a help. Anyone thought of some ‘Save our Camrose’ posters in local shop windows, loads will see that but not everyone gets a gazette or sees the gazette online? I have posted the article on 2 FB sites, Non-league Players Past & Present (6,081 members) & Staying Alive Club for ex footballers in the Basingstoke area (564 members) hoping that the club may get a few quid come in as there has been a lot of interest shown in the clubs plight with the ground.
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Totally agree Steve, personally I can’t understand why the Save The Camrose just giving page was a Supporters Club project and not that of the Community Club I feel by not posting this nationality on social media has restricted the publicity in revenue it could have achieved especially from former clubs in our predicament and past players and Non league fans who have visited the ground
Post by mattwarmington on Apr 3, 2021 18:05:58 GMT
I think the best thing we can for the moment is wait to see how the appeal is going to be dealt with. That is our most obvious path back to the Camrose. I get the desire to make it an election issue but if the leaflets coming through my door in Brighton Hill are anything to go by it already is. Once we have the parameters for the appeal a joined up campaign can be run which informs people and explains what they can do to help.
I can’t understand why the Save The Camrose just giving page was a Supporters Club project and not that of the Community Club
I would suggest the age old problem of it being a supporters club rather than a community club project is to avoid the club being able to get their hands on it. History has already repeated itself with some current financial issues, so would suggest supporters club are ring fencing the money.
Of course, I wasn't here for the glory years But, never mind, Nev'll Fix It!
I think the best thing we can for the moment is wait to see how the appeal is going to be dealt with. That is our most obvious path back to the Camrose. I get the desire to make it an election issue but if the leaflets coming through my door in Brighton Hill are anything to go by it already is. Once we have the parameters for the appeal a joined up campaign can be run which informs people and explains what they can do to help.
It needs to be a whole town issue Matt, and it doesn't seem to be an issue over my way. It doesn't seem to be on the agenda of all those likely to be elected, and it would be good to remember this is not Winklebury FC or Brighton Hill FC, but Basingstoke Town FC
Of course, I wasn't here for the glory years But, never mind, Nev'll Fix It!
I agree and think the supporters club seem to be trying to campaign on behalf of the club which they should anyway. Also agree it is the whole town and surrounding villages that need to support a proposed community sports hub.
Football for BTFC but also for all other levels, such as girls, juniors and the academy as well.
Post by mattwarmington on Apr 3, 2021 20:43:30 GMT
Ultimately success in the appeal will significantly lower the value of the land and increase the possibility of being able to get it back if Basron decide to cut their losses. The Community Club needs to prepare for that appeal, especially if it is to be a public enquiry. Posters, car stickers, T Shirts and social media won’t win over the planning inspectorate, only solid reasons that back up the Council decision will do that. I say this as someone who has the car sticker in and the t’shirt on order.
I get that people are impatient and emotional but there is a process to follow here. No one is certain what that is yet and realistically it’s going to be after the election before we do I’d have thought. Get your Cllrs and Candidates views of course, it’s likely to be the only chance you get before the appeal but in my view we’re better off waiting for that and shaping the next stage of the campaign accordingly
Ultimately the biggest pressure you can put on our council is nationwide publicity Non league football may well be not high on the agenda of the F.A but players like Vardy and Ian Wright and pundits like Jeff Sterling hold it highly in their football experience Imagine one of those donating to our cause and the publicity it would have attracted The council and Basron need shaming far to many clubs have perished due to greed and short sightedness
Post by mattwarmington on Apr 3, 2021 21:32:10 GMT
Micky don’t forget it’s two BDBC decisions which went in our favour that Razzak and Basron are fighting, namely the Asset of Community Value and the planning decision. These are both huge barriers to him making the amount of money he wants from the Camrose. To win both of those appeals cooperation, at least with officers, is going to be needed. Question the candidates for office of course, these are going to be the people making the decisions after the appeals are over but those appeals are going to be decided on facts not emotion
Let it be Malcolm McPhail who loses his cool again not us
There was talk of a business case, a National campaign and more. Where is it? The councillors need to tell us where there stand, vote them out if they are against a community hub All i see from the club is a pointless shirt competition ! What is the chairman doing ? It seems very little !
Think the campaign needs to be on two levels. Local pressure on the councillors, whilst a National campaign as stated in previous comments, brings in wider support and pressure.
Only seen the local campaign leading upto the elections. Support from the council through pressure from the townsfolk is vital in any hope of returning to the Camrose.
Ultimately the biggest pressure you can put on our council is nationwide publicity Non league football may well be not high on the agenda of the F.A but players like Vardy and Ian Wright and pundits like Jeff Sterling hold it highly in their football experience Imagine one of those donating to our cause and the publicity it would have attracted The council and Basron need shaming far to many clubs have perished due to greed and short sightedness
Agree with the contacting of well-known players, and pundits like Jeff Stelling, but would have thought contacting Soccer AM who a few years back had the stadium named after the programme would be a massive boost publicity wise. You would think they would jump at a follow-up story like this ?
There was talk of a business case....... Where is it?
Did you think they were going to send you a copy or something?
No not at all, but when I spoke to my local councilor, an ex-Labour but now independent, he told me that councilors have been waiting a number of weeks for this reported business plan, and that they cannot give support to something they have not seen. He also then added that this delay in sending something concrete allows Rhatigan to dismiss the community club's aims or support.
I think you need to be careful not to sound like David knight to Kevin White's Rafi Razzak Matt!
"I think the best thing is wait and see" is about the last thing most people, including the Supporters Club, have on their mind right now, and those of us who have been fighting for the Camrose for some considerable time (and eventually saved it from development in the first stage, don't forget!) have no interest in listening to yet more procrastination and delaying tactics from those who haven't and who have openly stated they don't want to.
People are not impatient and emotional, they are frustrated by the lack of action from the club, sick of hearing that things will be happening in due course, and fed up with treading on eggshells when what is needed is action.
Remember Old Common? A lot of those involved now won't have a clear understanding of what happened there, but those of us who were there for the duration, and on judgement night heard clearly one councillor after another saying their inboxes had been inundated with letters against the plans but none for the project. One by one they voted against. The Objections won. The people of the town came together to protect their land, and they won.
The supporters did nothing, the club did nothing, and they lost. When the townsfolk setup a petition, officials and supporters abused people on the internet, but did nothing. When there was a protest on the common by councillors and objectors, officials and supporters carried on and went to a game, but did nothing. When the Supporters Club Chairman asked David Knight if counter protest was needed he was told no, not necessary, its all under control, so they did nothing.
Have the fans learned nothing from that debacle? Don't they want to be on the winning side this time? Do officials expect to get away with telling them to do nothing again?
I was among a group of interested parties who met with Cllr Rhatigan at the Camrose a few weeks ago and he was clear then that he was, and had been for some considerable time, still waiting for the club to put forward a business plan. This has still not been completed, the councillors are still waiting, and treating us like impatient children when actually this is such an important issue is just no longer sustainable.
Cllr Rhatigan listened openly to our views and suggestions regarding the ground, but he can do nothing if the club and its fanbase sit back and wait, and wait, and wait.
Everyone should be writing to their sitting and prospective councillors, everyone should be writing to the Gazette, to Cabinet, to Cllr Rhatigan, and anyone they think may be able to help.
I gather those who sent in objections may be able to resubmit them once the inspectorate advise the council of the appeal? Perhaps the club could at least advise if this is the case? Or is this one of those sensitive issues we have to leave to the grown ups?
There appears to be a lack of commitment from the club. This has to change, and soon.
Of course, I wasn't here for the glory years But, never mind, Nev'll Fix It!
Kevin White, there are several of us on here who over the years have got to know lots of people who live around and outside the town, I am no different, even as we come out of this lockdown all I have been hearing from people I know over a long period of time through text messages etc is “what on earth is happening, the club are so quite, not even heard anything on the breeze, shouldn’t they be doing something to whip up support from around the town”. I have to agree with them. Personally I have been trying to do my own thing by sending letters into the gazette to keep it in the limelight. I have sent another letter in this week about the meeting I had with some friends and Ken Rhatigan at the club a few weeks back. The other day I sent this email to a whole load of councillors
Dear Councillors
I trust I find you and your families all well and all Covid free.
I am sure like me you are all proud to be living in and around Basingstoke. It is without doubt a nice town to live and grow up in. Like most towns it has its problems to overcome.
I think I am right in thinking you all know how important sport in the Borough is to the people of Basingstoke and that all of us in this Town/Borough whether we like a particular sport or not, should be getting behind and supporting our sporting teams when they perform, after all it’s only fair and right that we want them to do well and excel, it clearly has the benefit of promoting our Town/Borough.
Most of you if not all of you have your own sport and teams that you follow. Ken for example I know is a big Celtic fan, I believe at least one of you is a big Rugby fan and another likes skiing. I also am aware that in the positions that you hold and the different parties you represent you have to shown some sort of partiality when engaging in different subjects, which is odd in a way because as said you all must have your own sports and teams that are important to you even if Basingstoke Town Community FC is one of them.
With all that in mind I would like to draw you all to the plight of Basingstoke Town Community Football Club that I know you are all aware of. None of us right now know how trying to save the Camrose football ground will pan out, only time will tell. I would really hope that you and your different parties are all behind saving the ground for the sake of sport and the community and future community in this town. I would point out that although I am a paid member of the football club I am nothing to do with its board of directors and I write as a concerned individual to you all.
There is another way you could all help the currant situation and that is to go to either of the following links and support this towns and boroughs most senior football club toward.
I have had one reply which surprised me as I didn’t think I would get any but this councillor is even prepared to donate. But my point and others points on here Kevin is this, you have just sent out a membership email to all members, what about those outside the membership!!!! How will they know what is going on with the clubs efforts to get back to The Camrose. For god sake man you got to get out to the wider audience and ASAP, this club needs all the support it can get, and now is a great time with what is going on. I get a free local magazine called ‘The Rbibbiter’ for my area, I belibe other areas have their own magazine. I have never seen the words ‘Basingstoke Town Community FC’ mentioned or what is going on inside the magazine, Why not Kevin? Sitting back with you keep saying things are happening behind the scenes how long do you actually want!!!! perhaps you can tell us!
Post by mattwarmington on Apr 5, 2021 14:49:06 GMT
You remember that Razzak has got two appeals in right? One against the decision on the Asset of Community Value which came about via an application by members of the Community Club board and one against the Council’s decision to refuse planning permission. A decision made after some excellent submissions by members of the Community Club board and the local Councillors. Malcolm McPhail was so rattled he threw his toys out the pram. Regardless of what anyone has or hasn’t done to this point the whole future of the Camrose relies on these decisions.
No sabre rattling, business cases, letters to papers or Community magazines will sway these decisions, they are made on a legal basis. Yes the planning appeal will allow objectors to make their points known but ultimately the decision was made because of concerns over the overdevelopment of South Ham and that is what the appeal will be judged on.
I want the Camrose back as the home of Basingstoke Town Community Football Club, the club who is currently playing at Winklebury. I am not convinced that many of those who are so insistent on something happening right here right now want that. Talk of local clubs having a say on the Camrose does nothing to change my feeling that there will be an attempt to keep the club out even if the Camrose is saved
Totally agree Steve, personally I can’t understand why the Save The Camrose just giving page was a Supporters Club project and not that of the Community Club
I feel by not posting this nationality on social media has restricted the publicity in revenue it could have achieved especially from former clubs in our predicament and past players and Non league fans who have visited the ground
The decision for this was so that the ball could begin rolling while we conjure up a national campaign, work has gone on with this and we will not rush in to something if it is not right. These items need to be done strategically and indeed at the correct time. Additionally, I feel that if the community club launched a donations page, it would have looked somewhat uninspiring.
The club account have posted this link on social media from the Supporters Club on a number of occasions.
As for the local take on the campaign, the people who are going to have a lot of say in this matter are the Council and that's where our focus has been so far. If you haven't already done so, please contact your local councilors, instructions to do so are outlined here btfc.co.uk/savecamrose/#support
I'm all ears to new ideas which I'll happily take with me back to the Save The Camrose committee, feel free to post these on the forum (I tend not to log in so PMs are probably not the best idea) or email me jack.miller@btfc.co.uk.
I want the Camrose back as the home of Basingstoke Town Community Football Club, the club who is currently playing at Winklebury. I am not convinced that many of those who are so insistent on something happening right here right now want that.
If wasn't some for those people kicking up a fuss in the first place, the Camrose would be long gone.
Playing at the Camrose in the next 2-3 years is a must given there aren't any alternative sites (that we know of) other than South Manydown which according to the response I received from one of my local councillors won't be a realistic option for 15-20 years.
Did you think they were going to send you a copy or something?
No not at all, but when I spoke to my local councilor, an ex-Labour but now independent, he told me that councilors have been waiting a number of weeks for this reported business plan, and that they cannot give support to something they have not seen. He also then added that this delay in sending something concrete allows Rhatigan to dismiss the community club's aims or support.
Hi Gary, did this councilor come to the meetings which they were invited to by the club? If so, they would have an idea of the club's position and aspirations as a whole and were given the opportunity to make a comment.
My own opinion is that the councilors either want to support the club in its aspirations to return to the Camrose or they don't - they've had a lot of opportunities to say which side of the fight they're on. The councilors have been told that a document, which is going through final revisions, is incoming and we will send it to them when it is full, detailed and correct as we don't get too many opportunities to do this so it needs to be right.
Jack, your a decent bloke and love your passion for saving the Camrose. I also voted for you in the elections. However, I cannot agree that a donations page launched by the club would have looked somewhat uninspiring at all. Funds could have been building. As a member of the board you tell me why people outside the membership keep asking me what the hell is going on with the Camrose, as they see nothing happening, I’m not telling porkies!
I sent an email into the club on 12/02 as I could not see a lot happening as I could not feed back to people asking me what was going on! I know this was passed on and not sat on!
“with the club now displaying ‘The Save The Camrose Campaign’, is it worth the club contacting any of the following for support, maybe free/cheap advertising or airtime. I realise some may well incur a cost but I don’t know If the club have thought along these lines or whether they have a small budget for it.
Basingstoke Gazette Observer Non- League Sunday supplement Local Radio Stations (would they get behind the club by pushing the clubs link on air for the campaign) BBC Radio Berkshire Stagecoach - Advert on local buses Local Black Cabs - Adverts on black cabs - some are club fans? Meridian and South Today News at 18:00 and 18:30 respectively Can anything be done with local takeaway food eateries in the town and advertising through their delivery services, where a card is put in with the delivery to locals advertising the campaign and where to go to help the club? Fliers through doors. Local up to date news magazines like the one in Beggarwood called ‘The Rabbiter’ On the ‘Spotted Basingstoke’ FB page The selling of stickers for cars through the club shop via the official website Advert on Kebab and burger vans that are around the town”
Where I will agree with you is that there will be times when strategy plays a part and the release of news needs to go out at certain times. I also have suggested via emails to the club that the Offical website needs an overhaul with more information on what is being done regarding not just the Save the Camrose but the club could do a live draw for the monthly prize or video it and then put it on the website so it draws people to the clubs official website. Sponsors names should be all over the website on every page so they can see they are getting something for the financial outlay they are putting in particularly while no football is going on! The club could put a members only section on the website with up to date news and short video clips so they do get first hand news, it may get more people to join to see any of the information. Kevin sends the emails out to members only, when do the public outside of the membership find out this information, the answer is ‘never’, that is not a community club is it now, at some point they need to be told! they need to be told how they can help with the clubs Save the Camrose campaign!
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Jack, your a decent bloke and love your passion for saving the Camrose. I also voted for you in the elections. However, I cannot agree that a donations page launched by the club would have looked somewhat uninspiring at all. Funds could have been building. As a member of the board you tell me why people outside the membership keep asking me what the hell is going on with the Camrose, as they see nothing happening, I’m not telling porkies!
...But funds are building through the Supporters Club donations page already. When the Community Club launches its own campaign, it will also be easier to differentiate the two too.
Also, we have very recently incorporated a new communication process which should improve this. As I said above, we need to focus working with the Council on this and we have asked for people to pull together and get involved by writing to their councilor as I personally feel the election result will have a big say in the direction of the Save The Camrose campaign.
Good to open up discussion on the campaign here though; we're all hopefully here for the same reason.
As a separate point, I would like to additionally encourage people who want to get involved in the club to become a member btfc.co.uk/community-club/#signup
No not at all, but when I spoke to my local councilor, an ex-Labour but now independent, he told me that councilors have been waiting a number of weeks for this reported business plan, and that they cannot give support to something they have not seen. He also then added that this delay in sending something concrete allows Rhatigan to dismiss the community club's aims or support.
Hi Gary, did this councilor come to the meetings which they were invited to by the club? If so, they would have an idea of the club's position and aspirations as a whole and were given the opportunity to make a comment.
My own opinion is that the councilors either want to support the club in its aspirations to return to the Camrose or they don't - they've had a lot of opportunities to say which side of the fight they're on. The councilors have been told that a document, which is going through final revisions, is incoming and we will send it to them when it is full, detailed and correct as we don't get too many opportunities to do this so it needs to be right.
Hi Jack, the councilor did not state whether he had attended that meeting, but did mention the group had met since and although supportive need to see something concrete. He did also state that a document, is that what it is being called now? was still outstanding from the meeting in February i think he stated.
Also are you speaking on behalf of the club or a fan?
All I am not prepared to sit in silence as a club member. This club has a fantastic opportunity probably for the only time to change for the better. Like I say below I am not here to stir things up for the sake of it, I will say it as I see it.
Kevin White, you want people to unite behind the club, so you say! It is becoming widely thought that just maybe your heart is not as behind getting back to The Camrose as you are telling people. Now believe me it’s not just me saying this or thinking it. I am not coming on here stirring the proverbial you know what. When I post I post facts and how I feel or how people I know feel. I stood here behind the partridge family when they were telling everyone about Razzak, many on here didn’t believe them! They were ridiculed from pillar to post but by god they were right and people on here had to eat humble pie because Razzaks true colours eventually came through. I am urging you as Chairman of this club that we love to come out and be more open as you promised the club would be. Privately you know I have suggested a poster campaign for the shops in and around The Camrose, Brighton Hill, South Ham, Berg Estate, Cranbourne and elsewhere. I know that you and Jack Miller and Dan Brownlie (have to ask why the first team manager needs to know?, let him manage the players) have been emailed on this. I know 2 board members agree that something like this should be done but you have done nothing, not even a reply as to why you don’t see this as a way of informing people about the need to Save our Camrose and keep it in the limelight! Below is a post from the FB page for local ex footballers. When I said in my post up above people outside the membership are asking questions this is the sort of thing they are asking. I’m telling you as a club member, you have to change track ASAP or your support will wain. Members, to you all, I am not make any of this up, I have various emails to prove what I am saying and people to back up the fact they have no idea what’s going on. People are refusing to become members and put money into this club because they have put money in in the past but still see No change to how it should be run. This club has never had a better chance to move forward and run a club for the Community of Basingstoke. I fully understand that at times strategically the club need to hold back and release info at a desired time But there are other avenues that can be taken to inform people of how they can help. When board members come on here and post links and ask people to contact their local councillors they are preaching to the already converted, the people who need to be contacted are the whole of the Basingstoke Community outside of the membership!!, a massive job but one that needs to be done as best as possible. It’s currently only Members who are being fed tit bits from Kevin every so often! I repeat Kevin, what about those who are NOT Club Members!!, do you not want to try and tempt them aboard because right now you are not including them with the information they need to help this club in its efforts to get back to the Camrose! or even how the club is become this Community Club you desire. People will embrace change but they need to be kept informed or their opinions will soon change to ‘No the club has not changed from the past and is only exclusive to those who take out a membership’, so why should we bother”. Talking of memberships while I’m having a rant. I would like to think that all board members and ordinary members are contributing to the monthly £200 club draw, I take it that all the board members are in on this Kevin! Perhaps with time to write personal messages to fans who buy T-Shirts or Car Stickers you could answer the above and below Kevin to alleviate any concerns?
Post below is from a FB page
Adrian Donnelly Admin
OUR cover photo !!! It has all gone very quiet since the new committee was voted in and Herr Kevin White took over the helm. Press coverage has fallen off a Cliff. What the hell is going on Jack Miller ? I am not impressed by the car stickers. The logo the colour and save “the” Camrose and not “our” Camrose was a mistake. Black and white is lost in my car. Blue and yellow, the clubs colours !’ I was at a meeting with Ken Rhatigan at OUR Camrose. When he stated that our council was very cash rich and could give Serco £5m interest free loan “because the bank interest rates were so low that it wasn’t worth leaving it there” He stated that if the football club showed a business plan to the council that they would consider purchasing the other 71% of Camrose from Basron. Depending on price and terms of payment. He wanted terms even though he gave £5m instantly to Serco. Where is the plan Kevin White ? Are you one of these people that talks the talk and doesn’t walk the walk. Are you also Jack Miller ? The silence is deafening. Local elections are coming up and we in this group need to ensure that we and friends vote for councillors who support a proper football club back at OUR Camrose. An asset of the community. I do not look at the club website or forum, because I do not want to read propaganda, I want to see action. I do not feel that Mr Kevin White is fully behind our goal to get OUR Camrose back. Actions speak much louder than words. Those of us in this group who feel the same should contact you existing councillors and ask where they stand here. Wake them up as our football club do not seem to be doing very much outside of their little group. Revolution!!!
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Dart ford I know do massive poster advertising all over the town for their matches and I agree a save the camrose campaign poster in yellow and blue is a great idea and when football finally returns club should continue with this as I feel a lot of premier league and football league fans may not return and could be persuaded with the right product to get behind local football this is an enormous town with huge potential fan base
Superb post Steve. Go back to February last year and it was 'could be the Camrose, could be Winklebury' from Mr White (I'd post the link to the video but his twitter account has been deleted) so the non-commitment to the Camrose is hardly a surprise.
Members, I have had enough of this pussy footing around, Perhaps Kevin White can answer this ;
WHY in an email KW has rejected advice that -the Camrose business plan should show how a phased return to the ground can be achieved ( saying the bp should apply to an alternative site - when no such site exists and if it did it would undermine our case) -a commercial annex should be prepared covering sensitive financial issues Imposed unacceptable communications restraints and refused calls for a comms strategy - failed to prepare ,as advised , an income and expenditure projection showing the future sustainability of the club -Disregarded draft letters to council leaders - not followed up on 27 Feb letter to Rhatigan
In other words a systematic marginalisation of best advice , while he ostensibly supports STC
Well Kevin White deny that! What have you got to say to that, I would go as far as to say perhaps you should be thinking or resigning your position, this club needs people 100% behind The Camrose not appearing to want to go back to the Camrose as per the article above Thats official.
Members, we all need to be asking serious questions of this board and our chairman. If none of what I am hearing and have is true then I personally need some bloody convincing that I have it so wrong!
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Hi Steve, it looks as though your source may have gravely misinformed you.
100% not I’m sat here looking at the emails with names and dates on it. I can see exactly what was said to Kevin White it is up to him now to come back and answer them question. How Jack would you know the answer without first chatting to the chairman! You must be chatting to each other but the chairman refuses to come on here and defend the situation. As said, me and plenty of others, and it’s growing just today with the messages me and a colleague are getting, need convincing from the chairman. Neither of us have come on here or other social media places just to cause issues. These are real and need addressing from the top. Why are you taking the time and trouble to answer for our Chairman! Surely your not his puppet! Come on Kevin come to the table and address these issues The supporters direct set up say you should be listening to your members, are you! We are only asking direct and straight questions, if we have it wrong so be it and I will hold my hand up and apologise but I cannot sit here as a member with an interest when I see it not working for the towns people.
Hi Steve, it looks as though your source may have gravely misinformed you.
100% not I’m sat here looking at the emails with names and dates on it. I can see exactly what was said to Kevin White it is up to him now to come back and answer them question. How Jack would you know the answer without first chatting to the chairman! You must be chatting to each other but the chairman refuses to come on here and defend the situation. As said, me and plenty of others, and it’s growing just today with the messages me and a colleague are getting, need convincing from the chairman. Neither of us have come on here or other social media places just to cause issues. These are real and need addressing from the top. Why are you taking the time and trouble to answer for our Chairman! Surely your not his puppet! Come on Kevin come to the table and address these issues The supporters direct set up say you should be listening to your members, are you! We are only asking direct and straight questions, if we have it wrong so be it and I will hold my hand up and apologise but I cannot sit here as a member with an interest when I see it not working for the towns people.
I can't work out if you're asking me questions you'd like me personally to answer or if they're rhetorical; please advise.
Enough people know me here and know my intentions for the club and The Camrose etc. and I am my own person and base my own decisions based on the facts that I know and I feel I'm very well positioned to form my own honest opinions.