Sportsman's Night any update

Apr 25, 2014 17:07:35 GMT Hoody84 said:

Hi Steve

Thanks for your feedback.

you are correct we should be showing off about what great events are hosted by the club. Last weekend we did just that in the match day programme which featured a spread of photos from the Sportman's Dinner and Sergio book signing.

Also you are correct that communication is key. Which funnily enough was the title of an open letter to the supporters from myself which also featured in the same edition. It has been planned to include this and a report on the Micky Quinn evening on the website within the next couple of weeks, however one of the things we are working on is making the match day programme more appealing to fans by including exclusive content.I.E. Content in the programme before the website.

With regards to the dinner it was a very successful evening for the club with over 70 individuals in attendance.

I really appreciate feedback from the fans, as I previously mentioned communication is key, so please do not hesitate to contact me with any feedback/suggestions you may have.

Simon

Simon

Thanks for the reply but I'm astonished to be honest with your reply. Your the Marketing Manager with an impressive CV, yet the only marketing here is to fans who have already paid to come into the ground!! 'Astounding' What about the rest of the population in the town!

This town according to a stat I found under Basingstoke & Deane has a population of around 170,500 and you have hit on just 191 and some of them may not have bought a programme so the numbers actually seeing the Sportsman's spread and your letter could easily be a lot less than 191? As a Marketing Manager you seriously cannot be happy with that!!

I cannot believe with your experience that this Sportsman's Dinner's report has not already gone out to the wider audience, Gazette, website, facebook, twitter. This is exactly why the club let themselves down time and time again. You of all people should know 'hit early do not wait, strike while the iron is hot, get things out there so people can see what is going on and what has happened, waiting 2 weeks and the moment is GONE. 

This has to be an “Unbelievable Jeff” moment, a perfectly valid question is asked, the spin given in reply is questioned and we end up with the same old situation, the marketing manager jumps in the trench, throwing his toys out of the pram and as usual the Club’s ills are caused by anyone else but themselves. Arrogant, pompous and self-opinionated are words that come to mind. It may be your final word on the subject Mr Hood but it is certainly not mine.

 “Please remember like other roles in the club this role is voluntary”. This is the case in most sports clubs at our level and below, and many organisations across the country but this Club however now has more paid staff than at any other time in its history yet is seeing no reward for this and is still lacking in efficiency and professionalism which are probably at their lowest points ever. If you are having to be hands on as a volunteer perhaps you should ask yourself why you have no proper backup. I have asked the question before, what is the role of the general manager? Apart from issuing banning orders without hearing or right of reply like some tinpot dictator in the last throws of power, what does she bring to the table for her money and what does she achieve? A good number of her family are on the payroll and what benefit does the club get from this?

Perhaps Simon you are trying to serve too many Masters, after all your heart clearly lies with AFC Wimbledon as your tweets clearly detail. Perhaps you need to step back and find out a little of the history of BTFC before you dictate what we can say on our own forum. Perhaps if we had met up as I was willing to do, I could have given you some indication of why people are disaffected and showing the Club in a bad light as you describe. Indeed if I was looking at the Forum as a potential sponsor I would think again. But why would anyone want to come to such a place, run by narrow minded people with the mentality of “ a meal and a game”, protecting their own little empires so that they can get their free football and prawn sandwiches.

Sadly the Club now has few people involved in running it with the passion of some of those from the past who have left for varying reasons and often not the right ones. As General Manager I made efforts to discuss issues both privately and on the forum. I believe in openness and honesty, dealing with issues, beneficial change, and “communication is the key” was where I came in. I know to my cost that this is not the ethos of btfc however and your posting is proof positive of this.  I gave you the benefit of the doubt when you arrived but my original assumption I believe is correct, that you are the Chairman’s mouthpiece here to counteract the “negativity” around the Club as he did not have anyone suitable around him to deal with it.

Before you start your marketing of the club you need to correct some of the issues and problems that it has.” Ideally the role is full time and a salary based role, but I'm sure you will understand based on the way the football industry works that this isn't possible at this level, but I hope you agree this situation is better than nothing.” I totally agree, it has been tried twice before and did not succeed but three years ago Mr Razzak was presented with an opportunity that would have presented no financial risk to the Club. I work in a world of Private Finance Initiatives (funding of public projects with private capital). BTFC had a similar opportunity but yet another poor business decision by him saw Sutton United the beneficiaries of “the golden Egg” and I do not need to remind anyone where they are in comparison.

“There is a lot of things in the pipeline and projects that we are working on”. It is a well known fact that btfc has the longest pipeline in history from which nothing has flowed in years. We need a reality check. You tweeted on April 18th “Big changes to come wait and see”. I suggest they had better be big, they had better be dramatic and they had better be very soon. Your time is running out. Big changes may well be on the horizon but they’re not what you’re expecting!

Apr 27, 2014 7:58:59 GMT localfootball said:

Jesus this marketing man has just started his job and is attacked by two moaners and trolls. One and, at a guess, his mate has ridiculed and trolled every bit of work BTFC volunteers have done. I just think this is a man with a BIG chip on his shoulder. Well done Chairman for tryIng to keep the level of football high at BTFC. Well done all those volunteers who spend so much time making sure I can go down and watch an interesting game every two weeks with the only
Cost is £12.

And here we go Yet again (Yawn) another person who cannot put his or her real name to a post and hides behind a keyboard with a diabolical post with no substance whatsoever in it. Clearly localfootball you do not understand the question put about the sportsman's dinner and how to promote the club. With a post like that your level of intelligence does not appear to be that high but then again it takes all sorts but if you want to come on here and show yourself up with post like that I'm not going to stop you. I assume the troll you must be referring to is 'btfcmarketing' because I know for sure the others who have posted are real and genuine!!

If you like to also clarify 'every bit of work' I would be grateful as this is not the case at all. Look back through all the post from day 1 and you will see. Unfortunately you cannot look back on the previous forums to also see that is not the case as they have mysteriously been taken down.

Yes I know Dave and Dave knows me but that's where it ends. I post as I see fit and have experience behind me in the posts I write. Where the need is I will wish the club well and congratulate them when things go well but I will if need be point out failings whether you or the club like it. 

Marketing man has not just started his job he has been in it a month and has blatantly come out after my first post trying to preach to the already converted all 191 of them as pointed out by myself. Any Marketing Manager/Commercial person KNOWS that those supporters watching their team are the hard core support and you have got them, they will be there most weeks. The area you need to focus on is getting more through the gate those that are shopping on a Saturday, those sat at home watching soccer Saturday those not really doing anything, those that have been to watch but for some reason now stay away. As I said its Basics.

Come back with a real genuine argument that can be debated and we can have a good time debating it.

Localfootball its not about me wanting names, if you have been looking in on this forum or the others that have been in existence involving BTFC and if your knowledge is as you say you will already know that posting as localfootball you could be anybody anywhere in the world on a wind up or genuine.

So localfootball tell us your real name then come on I dare you!! Full name at that, I’m a former experienced 1st team player so it’s easy if you don’t already know my full name to find out.

If you also have a degree you should have already worked out that from my first post that the club miss out by not acting quick enough to portray the club in the best possible light. You should also know that as I have pointed out any marketing manager/commercial manager knows he has to strike quick which again the club fail to do.
Just because I have posted what I have in reply to your post does not mean we will not get along. I challenge you to a meet then I’ll even buy the 1st round, so over to you, now will you want to?

 
The insult as you claim has come about through a poor response by you. Showing it to my son who is currently at university made him laugh and he actually thought it was from a teenager who has no idea about marketing or even writing a reply to the posts I have placed on here.

Let’s also see your sporting achievements too as you have mentioned them and where you have earned your good living. Being the highest qualified coach in the world takes some doing so that should show in the record books so it will be interesting for me and others reading this to find out who you are because once we know we can get that backed up. Strange you should bring up about being the highest qualified coach in the world because I actually know of someone who was in the same position as you about that sort of time as well and can back it up with internet evidence, so if he is out there you will be too.

A lifetime of involvement in football should have taught you how important marketing and commercial aspects to a non league football club are and that is exactly what I was exposing.

Well here you go all people that view this board and this thread. Localfootball says and can be quoted that he is not hiding behind a keyboard yet he will not divulge anything about himself. That alone makes him suspicious and him and his post clearly cannot be taken seriously for that very reason. The challenge I set him, he has failed in miserably to reveal himself as to who he is. The challenge i set him to show us his CV, he has failed miserably in not producing it in his next post, maybe he does not understand the question bless him.

Localfootball you again let yourself down, you claim you are not hiding behind your keyboard and in your words ‘Don’t intend to hide behind a keyboard’ yet you still do not answer the questions put to you in previous post. If you have nothing to hide then you have no reason not to tell all of us who you really are do you! Come on localfootball be a man and answer the following;

1. Your real name – What’s your problem if you are not hiding!!

2. You claim on here in front of the website community you have a great CV, we did not ask about it you felt strong enough to mention it. So why not list this impressive CV on here so we can all go ‘WOW’

3. How can a volunteer doing a bad job be a good thing? Your claim you were the highest qualified coach in the WORLD (Prove it to all of us on here), a coach teaching kids or whoever bad habits would not be a good thing now would it? So how can someone doing a bad job be a good thing?

4. Anyone connected to the club or on any sort of forum can stick up for themselves if they so wish so you are wrong there.

5. My role in the club is well documented over a period of 20 years, so I am well versed in how a non league football club should be run.

6. I doubt very much due to shift work and family I will be at home matches next season although one fixture does spring to mind I would not mind going to.

7. As there is no more home games are you going into hibernation then? There are plenty of pubs, cafes or coffee shops to meet up for a drink, over to you, the world will not stop because there are no home matches until around July/August.

8. Why would I want to meet you to see JUST your famous CV, you could put your wonderful and fantastic achievements on here for all to see and admire. However, meeting up to chat all things BTFC then it’s worth the while.

9. Do I think you will answer any of the above questions on here, no I don’t because I think your all talk and cannot walk the walk.

10. Do I think you will meet to chat about all things BTFC – No I don’t you will cry off because your fake

And finally until you come clean on who you are you must be a troll yourself in my eyes possibly working for the club you cannot be taken seriously at all. I await your acceptance to meet somewhere in Basingstoke.

Club Office, Take a look at my first post on here. It is asking a question as to why the club who NEED advertising, who NEED sponsorship, who NEED numbers through the gate and clubhouse to generate much needed money WHY they had not put something on the social feeds that they have access too, showing what can be achieved.

The marketing manager comes on here with a less than impressive reply which includes converting the already converted FACT and let me point out, in his first reply actually agrees with me (his words take a look). So I reply.

Then we get localfootball coming on here telling me that I am a moaner/troll when I am clearly not a troll, Yes I have a clear view that the club and people working for it should be doing better but hey that's exactly what you all down there do not like, so consequently you take it as a moan, is that not allowed on here club office.  All I do is point out club failings to try and help them realise where they are missing out, in the hope they can get something right or better for next time but it never seems to get through because the same mistakes keep happening (note, don't forget I will and have praised where necessary on this very forum and past forums, so I have not in fact ridiculed every bit of work that volunteers have done).

What on earth is embarrassing about asking someone who has come on here boasting this and that to show us all and tell us who he is? After all it is him who says he has nothing to hide in 2 posts hence my questions. He also admits that he has little or no knowledge of marketing, so clearly does not understand when opportunities are missed, which is what I was pointing out and so important to a club like Basingstoke.

I suggest if you don't like the questions then remove them! Ban me if you want I have done nothing wrong at all but to ask someone who clearly has something to offer to show us.

In todays internet world and with spell check there is no need to get grammar incorrect its just laziness.

Like you say its all about opinions and I don't agree with your post one little bit, if I did I would apologise but I have nothing to apologise for, when I do I will. I think very carefully before posting and I cannot help it if people cannot see where I am coming from or understanding the structured content of my posts.

May I suggest a protected forum that you can control far better that will not include alternative opinions as it is very evident that none of you down their can tolerate a difference of opinion. Not once on this forum or any of the others have any of you at all come on here and replied to an alternative post and said, you know what you (or others) are right we need to do this that or the other. It is clear Club Office its your way or the high way.

BTFC is so very frustrating as it should be doing far better than it is but the stumbling block seems to be that they can never get it right behind the scenes and its been like that since the 70's up to present day. The problem as far as I see it are the same now as before I got involved in the club and that is lack of professional people involved in the running of the club.

Apr 28, 2014 18:48:51 GMT Club Office News said:

But if you had bothered to look in the first place the Sportsmans Dinner was covered extensively before, during & after on the "social feeds" as you call them.

Does the left know what the right is doing down there?

Can you not see how confusion sets in and people get possible the wrong idea, Club Office News saying today it was covered the Marketing Manager saying it will in the next couple of weeks 3 days ago!!

There was nothing on here during or after and a quote from your new Marketing manager in his first response indicates that and says,

'Also you are correct that communication is key. Which funnily enough was the title of an open letter to the supporters from myself which also featured in the same edition. It has been planned to include this and a report on the Micky Quinn evening on the website within the next couple of weeks'

I am sure you would have seen my post and could have corrected me at the time if that was the case but there has been nothing up until now.

I rest my case.